Some key concepts in here, and ideas to revisit. "We are a pattern. We are a process." The ship of Theseus plus the hallucinated/tweaked memories is a noteworthy combo. Then what are we? And how does this inform how we live, work, play, and relate to each other? I appreciate this inquiry. Thank you Jamie.
A river is a pattern and a process too. If you scoop a cup full of water out of it, what's in the cup is not a river. But if you put it back, it is part of the river. So what is a river? It's an action. Our cells are part of our bodies, individuals are part of the team, humans are part of nature. But it's not about the parts separately, it's about the quality of the interaction between them. Meaning lives in participation, engagement - being INSIDE the action.
Beautiful! I feel better now. Though I'd like to see the Elvis video! (I'll look it up.) One wondering: Does keeping the faith necessarily include believing that it will for sure all work out?
I'm thinking that beyond Freud, pharmaceuticals, and the body restructuring, we currently have TV, politicians, and phones to solve our problems, or so some think. You said, "it is about understanding selfhood as a dynamic and counterintuitive system."
Some have set down their distractions and have found their deeper dynamic self that then informs what they do. Self-reflection and journaling help me discover myself. From that point i am more clear about what to do in this one precious life on a planet with others.
Concerning psychotherapy and meds, you said: "we haven’t really built anything more current or coherent."
Indeed, some are returning to the old days of just honest listening without judging. Real peer support by those who have been there or are there is very powerful.
Sorry you neglected to mention this older method that predates professionalism
This passage sparks some connections to help me understand what you're pointing to when it comes to living Seven Generationally...
We are living on behalf of those that came before and those yet to be. The simple act of persisting and witnessing forge a linkage between past and future that only we can make.
It might not all work out for us in our lifetimes (no matter how much therapy or medications our old theories would suggest we need). But if we keep the faith that one day, it works out, our suffering is both contextualized as one link in a much longer chain, and valorized as essential to the final outcome.
We can keep on keeping on because everyone before us and after us is banking on us.
Yes to our self-models are outdated. But how “we’re a process” helps the way Freud/Jung or meds help...because those come with practices that actually change experience for some humans.
So I’m asking: what does the process model prescribe? What do we do differently?What are the practices that turn “dynamic selfhood” into something livable...something that changes how we relate, work, love, parent, and act?
It was good to read this today. We are only one thread in a constantly woven tapestry. The subtle message for the ego is “you matter, but maybe not as much as you think you do.”
Fantastic synthesis of where modern neuroscience leaves us. The shift from "who am I" to "what process am I part of" cuts throughso many existential dead ends. Watched a friend spiral trying to reconcile their "true self" with changing life circumstances, and this framewould've been useful then.
Transcend and include bro. Freud had lots right, more than most modern theorists. Sapolsky is like the literal embodiment of every Fruedian neuroses in a single person… lol.
If it was simply dead we would be looking at a completely different situation. It has arms and legs and is sort of passable intermittently.
It's also a super organism; every monetizer of the knowledge has their own burg buried to boot.
There's one villain encoded: anyone pretending they understand. Understanding is never something an understander needs you to understand, understand? NE1 who gets it - stfus.
Some key concepts in here, and ideas to revisit. "We are a pattern. We are a process." The ship of Theseus plus the hallucinated/tweaked memories is a noteworthy combo. Then what are we? And how does this inform how we live, work, play, and relate to each other? I appreciate this inquiry. Thank you Jamie.
A river is a pattern and a process too. If you scoop a cup full of water out of it, what's in the cup is not a river. But if you put it back, it is part of the river. So what is a river? It's an action. Our cells are part of our bodies, individuals are part of the team, humans are part of nature. But it's not about the parts separately, it's about the quality of the interaction between them. Meaning lives in participation, engagement - being INSIDE the action.
That's so good Heather! Very Heraclitian, but deeper. I love it.
We are mere containers of the genetic material connecting those who came before to those who will come next?
Beautiful! I feel better now. Though I'd like to see the Elvis video! (I'll look it up.) One wondering: Does keeping the faith necessarily include believing that it will for sure all work out?
I'm thinking that beyond Freud, pharmaceuticals, and the body restructuring, we currently have TV, politicians, and phones to solve our problems, or so some think. You said, "it is about understanding selfhood as a dynamic and counterintuitive system."
Some have set down their distractions and have found their deeper dynamic self that then informs what they do. Self-reflection and journaling help me discover myself. From that point i am more clear about what to do in this one precious life on a planet with others.
Concerning psychotherapy and meds, you said: "we haven’t really built anything more current or coherent."
Indeed, some are returning to the old days of just honest listening without judging. Real peer support by those who have been there or are there is very powerful.
Sorry you neglected to mention this older method that predates professionalism
This passage sparks some connections to help me understand what you're pointing to when it comes to living Seven Generationally...
We are living on behalf of those that came before and those yet to be. The simple act of persisting and witnessing forge a linkage between past and future that only we can make.
It might not all work out for us in our lifetimes (no matter how much therapy or medications our old theories would suggest we need). But if we keep the faith that one day, it works out, our suffering is both contextualized as one link in a much longer chain, and valorized as essential to the final outcome.
We can keep on keeping on because everyone before us and after us is banking on us.
Yes to our self-models are outdated. But how “we’re a process” helps the way Freud/Jung or meds help...because those come with practices that actually change experience for some humans.
So I’m asking: what does the process model prescribe? What do we do differently?What are the practices that turn “dynamic selfhood” into something livable...something that changes how we relate, work, love, parent, and act?
It was good to read this today. We are only one thread in a constantly woven tapestry. The subtle message for the ego is “you matter, but maybe not as much as you think you do.”
We bear witness, and we are witnessed. "All the world's a stage, and we are but players."
Fantastic synthesis of where modern neuroscience leaves us. The shift from "who am I" to "what process am I part of" cuts throughso many existential dead ends. Watched a friend spiral trying to reconcile their "true self" with changing life circumstances, and this framewould've been useful then.
Transcend and include bro. Freud had lots right, more than most modern theorists. Sapolsky is like the literal embodiment of every Fruedian neuroses in a single person… lol.
If it was simply dead we would be looking at a completely different situation. It has arms and legs and is sort of passable intermittently.
It's also a super organism; every monetizer of the knowledge has their own burg buried to boot.
There's one villain encoded: anyone pretending they understand. Understanding is never something an understander needs you to understand, understand? NE1 who gets it - stfus.