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Danielle Ivins-Fishman's avatar

You and JP? Oh yes! Taking this in FULLY and will re-read again this weekend to savor the blending of humor and genius. We'd damn well better acknowledge the powerful yearnings/cravings of the "god shaped hole in our hearts" before it's too late...I'm a pragmatic optimist AND our species IS on the edge. THANK you Jamie for sharing your brilliant poly-theoretical mind...with us.

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Thousands of years spent “debating” which belief system is true, which belief works the best for a human wanting to win at life, or win at spirituality, so little time, if any, spent asking “is this belief system compatible with life on earth, with how earth works, and with the rest of life on earth?”

Seems most religions and modern spirituality, including the new age and personal development industry, are coming only from, or mostly from, the human centered or human supremacist paradigm. Shaping all of life on earth to coincide with these beliefs. That’s a problem, or maybe even the root of our collective predicament. Make all of earth in the image of a god that man made.

Also kinda seems like most religions helped craft neoliberal economic theory, and it seems like most of the new age, as well as the mega church industry, is just neoliberal economic theory. So these strange bedfellows of new age people, or personal developers, signing up as born-again fundie Christian’s, isn’t strange at all, at root it’s the same exact paradigm. Throw in some confusingly muddled concepts extracted from the greater context of non-dualist philosophies, and it’s a sociopathic nightmare (i.e. I AM GOD therefore can manifest whatever I want, being Source of all!)

Beliefs are certainly important to have for sure, but what if those beliefs aren’t compatible with the rest of our family of life? Beliefs never just stay inside our heads. That’s catastrophe in the making when it’s billions of people believing foggy things and then creating and enforcing those ideas on all the rest of life.

As for spiritual experiences that accompany these beliefs, personally I see them as real, but those beliefs and identities are powerful filters that translate those experiences of Spirit and nature into more of the same human supremacy.

Wish this was openly discussed way way more than it is, so thanks for cracking it open so frequently, Jamie.

Also, does JP ever mention bonobos? Honestly don’t know. Seems he’s got a thing for basing his lifestyle system or philosophy on male adolescent chimps, not just lobsters. Does he ever hang out with Dr Jane Goodall for some “outside the echo chamber” time? Or would he consider a source like, the Max Planck Institute, for example, as anything other than liberal or ungodly propaganda (good ongoing research there about our OTHER closest relative, bonobos, who sure do like to get sexy but that’s still only part of their story, too)

As for the inaccurate stories our popular culture spreads about nature, about how nature is, making the *whole story* about nature, and therefore humans, just about male hierarchy, dominance, and predation, it would be fun for some influencers to spend a few years in the bush working with guides and trackers and indigenous people. Some funny stories from safari guide James Hendry about tourists complaining over how boring the wildlife turned out to be, how little killing and sex actually was going on out there in the wild. Not to mention that it’s the herbivores, matriarchal in their hierarchy, too! that are the most dangerous on-foot but also in-vehicle (ellies and buffaloes)

Pop culture or even “dominant culture” beliefs about nature are inaccurate at best, and yet the entire world has been forced and controlled to try and resemble those overly reductionist, human centered stories.

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