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JilliaBrandt's avatar

Thank you for your eloquence! As spoken (or written) and absorbed, this is so helpful to keep us (we, the people) focused on the these ideals so that they can be manifested.

Tim Stewart's avatar

Daaaaamn - love this articulation of the ideas being shared here

Don's avatar
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Thanks, Jamie. That was a wonderful sharing of your personal experiences as a stranger in a strange land.

I cannot agree that any centralized government, like the USA , cannot automatically lead to corrupt leaders and a failed society. Sorry--does not compute. If we exit the system as much as possible, and go for viable community alternatives instead, the new game you speak of may have a chance. But otherwise, I doubt it.

Brian Graham's avatar

Did a replay of Jamie Wheal's interview with David Deida ever show up anywhere? Would love to catch that.

Tim Stewart's avatar

Yup, you can find the recording within the Homegrown Humans community!

Thomas Alan White's avatar

If you like hot topics this will change every aspect of everything in our lives if I can just get it out.I'm trying to find an audience in order to save civilization with a wild background story that makes it difficult. I met the monks while lost in Tibet in 1974. Try reading my two articles about that: the extraordinarily deep roots of this ancient Paradigm of the monks, and guess what just happened. My latest article is titled: only a fool or an idiot believes in quantum mechanics. Which one are you! I'm trying to take down our fantasies behind science so that we can have a happy future. Any chance you will help me somehow? It's difficult!

Gavin Abeyratne's avatar

#notgayjustbritish LOL.

Regnum Defende Dr. Wheal!

Brian James's avatar

Nice writing, and props to Vine Deloria!

Timothy Cunningham's avatar

Nice read, Jamie. Yeah, I'll admit, when Trump was first elected, I did have a minor identity crisis. I thought "Are we really that dumb?" As the returns came in, my friends in Peru and Chile texted and emailed, unable to process the news. The company I worked for at the time (a Midwest manufacturer of mining machinery) gave me the choice. South Africa under apartheid, or Chile under Pinochet. I chose Chile. I can say without reservation, Pinochet was much better than Trump. I'm ambivalent about the 250th. I want to simply let it wash through me without obstruction, warts and all. That's really the very best way to deal with the continual onslaught. I'll go to the 4th of July parade in my little town, watch fireworks over the lake. I'm lucky I don't participate in social media, so I don't need to swim in that slipstream.

Corrie's avatar

Had no idea you were South African, so funny- when I’ve left comments here referring to bungoma and the bushveld, didn’t know you were organically familiar with all that.

We’re on a weird timeline as the kids say. Stay sane and well Mkhulu Wheal 🙌

David Arrell's avatar

Jamie, thank you for pointing to the Higher Ground of (traditional) Liberalism and its orientation towards the principles of "common humanity, liberty, and dignity."

Only there, where the sovereign "I" is granted fundamental status, can a common "We" be found. All other attempts to "find common ground" will only and inevitably remain the realm of tribal tussling (bloodshed may vary).

The Missing Angle's avatar

Love your take, Jamie!

The Declaration of Independence says so much about the ideals America once held, not so much any more. I cherish those principles of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and that all of us are created equal.

Our misstep was to create another government via the Constitution and allow our agency to be outsourced to others without our explicit consent. Now we live with the consequences. Like Einstein said, we cannot solve our issues with the same thinking that created the problems.

So, where is humanity headed and what community will emerge as a result. I believe we are finding our way but not through the political drama and finite game of win lose fighting. Human to human we build our new world.

Amanda Rouse's avatar

ugh! This says so much about what someone cares about—and not having integrity with the people you work for!

Amanda Rouse's avatar

referring to the photo with wrestling up front white house. Thanks for your writing, and agree we might shift this--A vision for that...if we can come into integrity with giving back to earth and her original peoples. will take some humility and being uncomfortable.

Phil Cockfield's avatar

Love love love this conceptual reframing of the long-running theme Jamie. Beautiful.

Altered States of America - 👏

Omelia Atreides's avatar

You know what a bootloader is right?

Bootstrapping the main operation.

Close calls common.

Tim Stewart's avatar

Curious what you envision as the main operation?

Omelia Atreides's avatar

Nebulous implications are precisely the vector of replication.

You won't dig, but agents dig.